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From: rhendel@mcs.drexel.edu (Russell Hendel)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 14:14:57 -0500
Subject: Serious Riddles Anybody?

Over the past few months there have been several postings about
trup. Some of these have been in the form of "one line riddles"..."Does
anyone know a verse where..." These one liners seem to contrast with the
heavier MJ topics, while still stimulating minor research into sacred
sources.

It has occured to me that we can use these one liners for SERIOUS
research while STILL maintaining their light stimulating nature. Let me
give two examples. I am curious whether other MJers are interested in
such an undertaking. If so I have other examples.

I am currently learning Mordechai Breuers 1st edition of his book on
Trup.  While reviewing the book my Chavruthah, Mosheh Feldman, and
myself have discovered or conjectured several simple rules for which we
don't have counter examples but don't have complete proofs. I give two
recent examples:

1) It is well known that trup are either SEPARATIVE/DISJUNCTIVE (zarkah,
segol, garmay, revii, pashtah, zakef, tipchah, ethnachtah, pazer,
telishah gedola, geresh, tevir, siluk) or JOINING/CONJUNCTIVE (munach,
mapach, kadmah, merchah, telisha ketanah, dargah). Sometimes there is a
vertical line (Pasayk) after a JOINING trup. For example: G-d | will
reign forever(Ex 15:18).They say that the vertical line indicates a
pause and that this is done out of respect for G-ds name. Moshe and I
(both Baalay Keriah) think this is ALWAYS true (instead of MOST of the
time). We found only one counterexample which we can explain.

So the question to MJ is: Find the one example where: G-ds name occurs
on a JOINING trup(Mesharath) where there is NO pasayk(vertical line)
afterwards.

2) Moshe and I similarly conjectured that there are NO examples where: 2
or more MUNACHS occur before a PAZER and there is no PASAYK. Is this
true?

Russell Hendel; Ph.d ASA; rhendel @ mcs drexel edu